Episodio #3 - ESPAÑOL Robert Bruneau

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Podcast about Global Pastor Trainers.

[00:00:04] You are now on the way to the Global Proclamation Committee,

[00:00:08] where we have the vision to see all the Pastoral Trainers,

[00:00:11] and each Pastor is a Pastor. Let's begin.

[00:00:16] Welcome to this third episode of our Podcast.

[00:00:20] My name is German Rika,

[00:00:21] and we are very happy to be together.

[00:00:24] Once again, in the third episode, we are happy to see

[00:00:27] how the audience is growing in this Podcast.

[00:00:31] Together with Robbie Richard,

[00:00:33] we are both making this space easier with a lot of expectations.

[00:00:36] In this third episode, we have a special guest.

[00:00:40] So I want to pass the microphone to Robbie

[00:00:42] so he can introduce us to the guest.

[00:00:45] Thank you, German.

[00:00:47] Yes, it's a pleasure for all of us to be back with you.

[00:00:51] Today we have the privilege and honor

[00:00:55] to hear from Pastor Robert Bruneau.

[00:01:01] He is a short biography,

[00:01:04] and we will hear more about his part.

[00:01:07] He grew up in a ministerial family,

[00:01:10] a dedicated family,

[00:01:12] but he is a licensed person in physical education

[00:01:15] and recreation at the University of Panama,

[00:01:17] a career that I used to serve him as director

[00:01:21] of several different camps in Panama and Costa Rica.

[00:01:26] And also as executive director

[00:01:28] of the International Association of Christian Camps

[00:01:31] in Latin America.

[00:01:35] Besides that,

[00:01:36] for the last 24 years,

[00:01:39] he has been a missionary with Mesa Global,

[00:01:40] and currently serves as regional leader

[00:01:43] for South America

[00:01:45] and the energy coordinator

[00:01:47] for Latin American capacity in Mesa Global.

[00:01:51] So let's hear from him

[00:01:53] how he moved from the camps

[00:01:55] to become a pastor.

[00:01:58] He has also been married to Nina Perez

[00:02:00] for 28 years,

[00:02:02] she has two daughters, Nicole,

[00:02:04] for 23 years and Joan of 18,

[00:02:07] and currently lives in Medellin,

[00:02:10] for 8 years.

[00:02:11] And he says here that he loves life

[00:02:14] free of charge,

[00:02:16] I enjoy teaching the Bible,

[00:02:18] I identify with you with that, Robert.

[00:02:21] And he is really understanding

[00:02:22] to accompany pastors and leaders

[00:02:24] in his walk with the Lord

[00:02:26] and in his integration of Iliasco.

[00:02:28] So Robert, it's a pleasure

[00:02:31] to have you here with us today.

[00:02:35] It's a privilege for me to be with you

[00:02:38] in this third podcast.

[00:02:40] It's an honor to be able to share,

[00:02:42] listen to the previous ones

[00:02:44] and know that God is using this

[00:02:47] tool to support us,

[00:02:49] to accompany us and give us tools

[00:02:52] and ideas for our pastoral work

[00:02:54] also. Thank you for your invitation.

[00:02:57] Oh, great, great.

[00:02:58] Well, I think the first question

[00:03:00] we have for you, Robert,

[00:03:02] if you can explain a little

[00:03:04] about your life growing up

[00:03:06] and what led you

[00:03:08] to this project.

[00:03:09] First of all, I would like to

[00:03:09] thank you for your time,

[00:03:10] and then, to the ministry,

[00:03:12] but we would also like to hear

[00:03:13] about that path of

[00:03:14] head of pastors.

[00:03:20] Of course, thank you very much,

[00:03:22] Germán and Robbie.

[00:03:24] Well, I think my story

[00:03:25] can be very typical

[00:03:28] in the Christian Church,

[00:03:31] the Evangelical Church

[00:03:31] of a pastor's son.

[00:03:34] What I want to say is typical

[00:03:35] is that, thanks to God,

[00:03:38] we were born in a place

[00:03:39] where the Gospel is presented

[00:03:41] from the birth.

[00:03:44] And that is a privilege,

[00:03:46] I think it's something God

[00:03:48] decides.

[00:03:49] That is his will.

[00:03:51] And I grew up like this.

[00:03:51] I grew up in a Christian home,

[00:03:54] in a pastoral family.

[00:03:56] From the beginning it was

[00:03:58] an church that had

[00:04:00] the pastor's house next to it.

[00:04:03] So, the house and church

[00:04:05] were like a single place for me.

[00:04:08] I grew up having

[00:04:09] a room that was a room during

[00:04:11] the week and a saloon

[00:04:13] of the Dominican School on the weekend

[00:04:14] or Sunday.

[00:04:16] So, it was an integration of the life

[00:04:19] of faith and church

[00:04:21] with the house

[00:04:22] and the life of the church

[00:04:25] inside the house.

[00:04:26] However, at the age of nine

[00:04:28] or 10, I felt

[00:04:30] that

[00:04:31] it was a personal decision.

[00:04:33] The Gospel reaches my heart,

[00:04:36] not only my mind.

[00:04:38] It begins to

[00:04:39] affect the message of the Gospel

[00:04:41] and I understood it was a sin

[00:04:43] without having

[00:04:45] felt a lot of sin

[00:04:47] or a lot

[00:04:50] of pain

[00:04:51] due to sin in terms of

[00:04:54] radical consequences

[00:04:55] of drugs and abuse

[00:04:57] and other testimonies

[00:04:59] that are also there, but there was

[00:05:00] a strong conviction

[00:05:03] that it was a sin

[00:05:04] and that helped me understand

[00:05:06] that I needed something

[00:05:07] and someone to save me.

[00:05:10] So, it was a response

[00:05:12] of God to listen to the Gospel

[00:05:13] and to pass my mind

[00:05:16] through my heart.

[00:05:17] Obviously, my parents were

[00:05:20] influenced

[00:05:21] by the transition

[00:05:23] and also

[00:05:24] the Dominican School, the camps

[00:05:26] at that time

[00:05:28] the school of holiday holidays.

[00:05:30] All those traditional experiences

[00:05:32] of the church

[00:05:33] were giving their contribution

[00:05:36] little by little

[00:05:37] to my conversion

[00:05:39] or to my confession of faith

[00:05:41] in Jesus Christ and since nine years

[00:05:43] it has been a walk with the Lord

[00:05:47] complete

[00:05:48] a delivery

[00:05:50] without a doubt

[00:05:51] as that song says

[00:05:53] I will not go back, I will not go back

[00:05:56] and at nine years it was that decision

[00:05:58] of faith.

[00:05:59] And the Lord was

[00:06:02] equipping me

[00:06:02] the church has always been a place

[00:06:04] of training, of growth

[00:06:08] also a place

[00:06:09] of development of leadership

[00:06:11] but I want to connect

[00:06:13] my experience of the son of pastor

[00:06:15] that I think is also very common

[00:06:19] in many

[00:06:20] who listen

[00:06:21] I understand the pastoral life

[00:06:25] since childhood

[00:06:26] I mean, I'm not

[00:06:29] involved in the formation

[00:06:31] of pastors because I made a transition

[00:06:34] but because I understand

[00:06:36] the reality of the pastoral families

[00:06:38] and the needs

[00:06:40] that the children of the pastors live

[00:06:42] and the family

[00:06:43] of the pastors and obviously the pastor

[00:06:46] and his wife

[00:06:47] that has always

[00:06:49] given meaning to what I do

[00:06:52] I think

[00:06:53] it is something that the Lord uses

[00:06:55] to start

[00:06:57] creating a need

[00:06:59] of ministry to the future

[00:07:01] at least to me, he did it like that

[00:07:03] gave me a great experience

[00:07:05] of pastoral family

[00:07:07] and now I understand what I'm doing

[00:07:11] Wow

[00:07:12] Wow, that's great

[00:07:13] and Robert

[00:07:14] I imagine that many people who are listening

[00:07:17] right now will feel identified with your

[00:07:19] history, to have been born in a Christian

[00:07:21] home and have transitioned

[00:07:23] and walk in the Lord

[00:07:24] how did you get to that

[00:07:27] space of embracing

[00:07:29] what you are doing today with Mesa Global

[00:07:31] how was that journey

[00:07:33] and if you can tell a little

[00:07:34] in detail what you are doing with Mesa Global

[00:07:37] of course

[00:07:39] I think it is important

[00:07:40] to understand that God uses all the

[00:07:43] ministries and spaces for training

[00:07:45] He does not

[00:07:47] leave out

[00:07:50] the opportunities

[00:07:52] to train you

[00:07:53] some in a very prolonged desert

[00:07:55] of difficulties

[00:07:56] of weaknesses

[00:07:58] of confusion

[00:08:00] and others put us

[00:08:02] in services, of collaboration

[00:08:05] of learning from others

[00:08:07] I, the Lord, thank God

[00:08:09] I had the blessing

[00:08:10] of being accompanied by

[00:08:14] mentors

[00:08:15] and Christian leaders

[00:08:17] older than me

[00:08:19] they are all part of the

[00:08:21] contribution God made in my training

[00:08:24] many of them

[00:08:25] or most of them pastors

[00:08:27] including my father

[00:08:31] put a discipline

[00:08:33] of study of the Bible

[00:08:34] of spaces of reflection

[00:08:37] in writing

[00:08:38] theological knowledge

[00:08:40] that process, although it is a little long

[00:08:43] 12 years I knew that the Lord

[00:08:45] was calling me to the ministry

[00:08:48] at 16 or 17

[00:08:50] I was

[00:08:51] accompanying my father

[00:08:52] in some tasks of preaching

[00:08:54] of teaching, of collaboration

[00:08:58] and what I want to say with this

[00:09:00] of the services

[00:09:02] and the spaces that God

[00:09:04] does not lose opportunities in those spaces

[00:09:06] is that the camps

[00:09:08] despite being seen as

[00:09:10] a very place to play

[00:09:12] and children

[00:09:14] really the camps

[00:09:16] were a space

[00:09:18] of leadership training

[00:09:21] when you talk about leadership

[00:09:22] you think about the leader

[00:09:25] who directs, who commands

[00:09:26] who controls

[00:09:27] who has the power

[00:09:29] to manage people

[00:09:32] however

[00:09:33] the beginning of the biblical leadership

[00:09:35] is a leadership of service

[00:09:37] that is to say, learn to serve

[00:09:38] and the camps really offer

[00:09:41] that first opportunity to serve in the kitchen

[00:09:43] to serve in the pool

[00:09:45] if you have a pilot or a pool

[00:09:47] to take the children

[00:09:50] to a meeting in a tree

[00:09:51] and share the Gospel

[00:09:53] the word in the natural environment

[00:09:55] the camps are like a level

[00:09:58] to me helped me

[00:10:00] a level of training

[00:10:01] in that experience of leadership

[00:10:03] and that made me

[00:10:05] see myself as a camp director

[00:10:07] to meet many pastors

[00:10:09] because as I was the director

[00:10:11] I received many churches

[00:10:13] and shared with many pastors

[00:10:15] in my office I had very important conversations

[00:10:19] to my 25, 30, 35 years

[00:10:23] and the pastor approached me

[00:10:27] telling me his story

[00:10:29] today

[00:10:30] all those stories

[00:10:31] have an accumulation

[00:10:33] of experiences

[00:10:34] to be able to accompany

[00:10:36] and the transition was not more

[00:10:38] than the Lord gave me the opportunity

[00:10:40] to enter the global table

[00:10:42] 24 years ago

[00:10:44] as a missionary

[00:10:46] and despite

[00:10:47] that cultures seem to be much

[00:10:51] in Latin America if I had a trans

[00:10:53] cultural experience

[00:10:54] travel throughout Latin America

[00:10:56] meet many pastors

[00:10:59] develop working teams

[00:11:01] in some countries

[00:11:02] now we have 10 countries

[00:11:05] through the alliance of CCI

[00:11:07] Christian camps

[00:11:08] and then global table

[00:11:10] I need you to join us

[00:11:13] in an initiative to accompany pastors

[00:11:15] and leaders in the region of South America

[00:11:18] that's what I'm doing right now

[00:11:19] and we have a network of pastors

[00:11:22] and leaders

[00:11:24] in South America

[00:11:25] missionaries

[00:11:26] that are attending congregations

[00:11:29] others are attending foundations

[00:11:31] with children

[00:11:32] in vulnerability

[00:11:34] and my job now is

[00:11:37] more or less to pastor

[00:11:38] a team of almost 35

[00:11:41] pastors and leaders

[00:11:43] and missionaries who are in the area

[00:11:44] of South America including Cuba

[00:11:47] Panama

[00:11:48] and that's a bit

[00:11:50] what pastor is a call

[00:11:53] but it's also a great responsibility

[00:11:56] and

[00:11:57] that transition

[00:11:59] has not been so fast

[00:12:01] has taken its time

[00:12:03] to be able to do

[00:12:04] with quality and enthusiasm

[00:12:07] the task of

[00:12:08] to sit down and accompany pastors

[00:12:13] that's good

[00:12:15] I'm listening to the story

[00:12:16] and then there's a

[00:12:18] formation line

[00:12:18] starting with your father

[00:12:21] and now

[00:12:22] from you to others

[00:12:25] in fact, many questions come to me

[00:12:27] first

[00:12:29] or comments

[00:12:30] first it's impressive

[00:12:32] to see your parents

[00:12:34] include you in the ministry

[00:12:37] and I think that we can often fail

[00:12:39] to see our family

[00:12:41] as an ally

[00:12:44] an ally

[00:12:45] to what we are doing in the ministry

[00:12:47] sometimes we tend to see them as a

[00:12:49] a pastor or something like that

[00:12:50] and we see the effects of that

[00:12:52] in many children

[00:12:54] and resentment

[00:12:55] and everything that many of us have seen

[00:12:59] but also

[00:13:00] that multiplication

[00:13:02] or that discipline

[00:13:03] that training, that training

[00:13:05] whatever we want to call it

[00:13:07] how do you see

[00:13:09] now you mentioned

[00:13:11] that you have more than 30

[00:13:13] different leaders, pastors

[00:13:15] that you are

[00:13:17] on them, you are in charge

[00:13:19] of taking care of them

[00:13:21] what are some

[00:13:23] maybe

[00:13:25] innovations or challenges

[00:13:27] that you have had to face

[00:13:28] and overcome those challenges

[00:13:30] or whatever

[00:13:31] you as a global month

[00:13:34] or you as a part of the global month

[00:13:36] if there is a

[00:13:38] strategy, something that

[00:13:39] you are working on, what do you do?

[00:13:44] Yes, well

[00:13:44] the first thing is

[00:13:47] it's not so innovative

[00:13:48] but I think it's important

[00:13:50] to visit, to be with people

[00:13:55] obviously South America is a region

[00:13:57] quite extensive in geography

[00:13:59] so it requires

[00:14:01] a visit

[00:14:03] a personal visit

[00:14:06] not

[00:14:07] not only

[00:14:10] pauline letters

[00:14:11] what gives encouragement

[00:14:12] that's important

[00:14:13] to write, to send messages

[00:14:16] that's what we do

[00:14:17] it's not so innovative but now everyone is writing

[00:14:20] on the networks and sending messages

[00:14:22] by letter

[00:14:23] but I think something that we have lost

[00:14:26] is to stay in the houses

[00:14:28] of some pastors

[00:14:31] and

[00:14:31] and that seems like

[00:14:33] I invite myself

[00:14:35] but the reality

[00:14:38] is that we are already so familiar

[00:14:40] and we have reached

[00:14:42] a relationship so deep

[00:14:43] that living together

[00:14:45] being with them

[00:14:47] some are missionaries

[00:14:49] of many experiences

[00:14:51] and being with them

[00:14:53] and eating, enjoying

[00:14:55] walking out, listening to their stories

[00:14:58] many of them say

[00:15:00] I don't have those spaces

[00:15:02] very regularly with another leader

[00:15:05] and they really appreciate

[00:15:06] when one takes two or three days

[00:15:08] to stay with them

[00:15:09] play with the children

[00:15:11] I think it's a leadership model

[00:15:14] to be present

[00:15:16] and not only

[00:15:17] to be giving content

[00:15:20] for me the presence

[00:15:22] of a leader

[00:15:24] is very Christo centric

[00:15:26] it's very embodying

[00:15:28] the model of Jesus

[00:15:29] to be a fried fish

[00:15:31] at the edge of a river

[00:15:34] and at the edge of a river

[00:15:36] well

[00:15:38] until you feel the smell

[00:15:40] of the conversation

[00:15:42] let's say, it becomes more

[00:15:44] more deep, more

[00:15:46] closer

[00:15:46] and I think that's something we

[00:15:50] are trying to do

[00:15:51] as a routine

[00:15:53] I think there is another

[00:15:55] challenge for us

[00:15:57] especially for me

[00:15:58] and it's the balance

[00:16:00] in how we manage time

[00:16:03] now, this has to do with

[00:16:05] any shepherd in any area

[00:16:07] and in any culture

[00:16:09] we don't know

[00:16:11] how to stop

[00:16:13] and a challenge

[00:16:14] is to find those spaces to stop

[00:16:16] and go visit the other one that is also occupied

[00:16:20] for me

[00:16:22] is to create a rhythm

[00:16:23] and I think that's something

[00:16:25] that both in training

[00:16:27] and in the shepherd training

[00:16:29] I teach a lot

[00:16:31] and try to encourage it

[00:16:33] in the shepherd

[00:16:34] and it's before entering a year

[00:16:36] plan to stop

[00:16:38] don't wait until you are

[00:16:41] tired to say

[00:16:42] look, I need to stop

[00:16:45] because when you

[00:16:46] are in the field

[00:16:47] now we are very famous

[00:16:48] the burnout

[00:16:49] it's very common

[00:16:50] and emotional charges

[00:16:53] look, the first thing

[00:16:54] that they ask you when you are in

[00:16:55] burnout is to get

[00:16:56] a space of rest

[00:17:00] another recommendation

[00:17:01] is to look for an office

[00:17:02] a hobby

[00:17:03] something that can serve you

[00:17:05] to distract your mind

[00:17:06] I start to think

[00:17:08] why don't I do that

[00:17:09] as a cycle of my life

[00:17:11] to get the space to stop

[00:17:14] and look for a hobby

[00:17:15] something recreational that can help me

[00:17:17] to make a cycle

[00:17:18] and that helps me to have

[00:17:21] a healthy time

[00:17:23] today, the pastors and leaders

[00:17:25] we don't know how to stop

[00:17:27] and the truth is

[00:17:28] Germany, Robby

[00:17:30] worries me a lot

[00:17:31] that feeling of

[00:17:33] I feel very proud when I say

[00:17:35] I don't have time

[00:17:37] this is our practice

[00:17:39] a personal practice

[00:17:41] is to intentionally

[00:17:43] get some pastors

[00:17:45] pastors from the city

[00:17:47] and go to a hotel

[00:17:50] to rest, talk

[00:17:53] there's not much biblical content

[00:17:55] we even ask the pastors

[00:17:58] that next Sunday

[00:17:59] don't be what they preach

[00:18:01] so that they can be

[00:18:02] in the real rest

[00:18:04] of stopping

[00:18:05] it's not just stopping

[00:18:07] it's not going down the speed

[00:18:09] it's not taking a break

[00:18:11] it's really stopping

[00:18:13] and that's very difficult

[00:18:16] and it's a practice

[00:18:17] we're trying to do with our pastors

[00:18:20] and those of us who are training

[00:18:22] even those church leaders

[00:18:24] who are starting a life rhythm

[00:18:26] it's so good to hear that

[00:18:29] I think

[00:18:30] the other part

[00:18:32] of that, we don't know

[00:18:34] how to stop

[00:18:36] but also the expectations

[00:18:38] of others that we don't stop

[00:18:40] as pastors

[00:18:41] I just heard a story

[00:18:43] actually in Medellin

[00:18:44] a pastor was saying

[00:18:47] once a pastor was

[00:18:50] resting

[00:18:50] he was outside the house

[00:18:52] in a hammock

[00:18:52] and one of the church leaders

[00:18:55] said to him, pastor

[00:18:56] what are you doing?

[00:18:59] and he was resting

[00:19:01] and he said, but the devil never rests

[00:19:04] and he said

[00:19:06] well, that's why I don't want to be like the devil

[00:19:11] that pressure

[00:19:12] of the people who say the pastor should be doing

[00:19:15] everything

[00:19:16] but when we talk about the health

[00:19:20] of the pastor

[00:19:21] then if the pastor is not healthy

[00:19:23] they won't be healthy either

[00:19:26] you know what even Robbie

[00:19:27] I've been listening recently

[00:19:29] that there's another topic

[00:19:31] to add to the complexity

[00:19:33] we don't know how to rest

[00:19:36] we're so used

[00:19:37] by the external pressure

[00:19:39] of having to do

[00:19:40] and we feel like, as Robert said

[00:19:42] super good to say

[00:19:45] I have my full agenda

[00:19:46] I don't have a break

[00:19:47] that when we rest

[00:19:48] we're close to a burnout

[00:19:51] or someone came to the German

[00:19:54] and said

[00:19:54] we don't know how to do it

[00:19:57] and we think we can't do anything

[00:19:58] to stay in that pause

[00:20:00] and feel uncomfortable

[00:20:01] and we don't know how to interact

[00:20:03] so I really see Robert

[00:20:06] and I thank you for your comment

[00:20:08] is this Ministry of Presence

[00:20:11] I think that's the key

[00:20:13] I think we're hitting the nail

[00:20:15] as it says

[00:20:16] we're reaching something that's real

[00:20:18] and a few days ago

[00:20:20] we finished a meeting

[00:20:21] every first Monday of the month

[00:20:24] we gathered for Zoom

[00:20:25] a group of 140 people

[00:20:27] and one of the topics that came up

[00:20:28] in this

[00:20:29] how to raise new pastors

[00:20:32] we need time

[00:20:35] but not time as you said

[00:20:38] it's time to make

[00:20:40] the decision to spend

[00:20:42] a season

[00:20:43] a few days with the person

[00:20:44] and from that space

[00:20:47] to help him to move forward

[00:20:49] in what God has for that person

[00:20:51] so really Robert

[00:20:53] I celebrate these two points

[00:20:54] although as I said

[00:20:55] maybe it's not innovative

[00:20:56] but to return to the root

[00:20:58] of how the Lord did things

[00:21:02] today it still sounds innovative

[00:21:04] I think practically

[00:21:06] practically

[00:21:09] it's something

[00:21:10] that nobody does

[00:21:12] we had

[00:21:13] a retreat

[00:21:16] when I say retreat

[00:21:17] we need to take care of it

[00:21:18] we actually retreated

[00:21:22] from the city

[00:21:23] almost 25 pastors

[00:21:24] and

[00:21:27] one of the things that we mentioned

[00:21:30] in the conversation

[00:21:31] because it was conversations

[00:21:33] in the morning

[00:21:34] was

[00:21:35] that God

[00:21:38] created man for a rhythm

[00:21:40] his first day

[00:21:42] which was the first day of Adam

[00:21:44] it was

[00:21:46] the day of rest

[00:21:48] really, of course

[00:21:49] so we have

[00:21:52] a cycle

[00:21:54] of life, of work and of rest

[00:21:56] Jesus lived it

[00:21:58] worked to a ministry

[00:21:59] but he took out his disciples

[00:22:01] there was a constant practice

[00:22:02] of retreating out of the city

[00:22:05] and the devil

[00:22:07] knows that there is

[00:22:09] blessing

[00:22:09] there is a blessing in stopping

[00:22:13] because when you stop

[00:22:15] you have an opportunity to reflect

[00:22:18] look back

[00:22:19] and really look back

[00:22:21] and say wow

[00:22:23] how many things the Lord has done

[00:22:25] look at the present

[00:22:26] and say wow

[00:22:27] look what the Lord has given me

[00:22:30] but you have the opportunity to look at the future

[00:22:32] and say I have hope

[00:22:34] but that cannot be done

[00:22:36] when you are running

[00:22:39] and running

[00:22:40] makes you lose the signals

[00:22:42] when you are on a big highway

[00:22:44] and you drive very fast

[00:22:46] and excess speed

[00:22:47] makes you lose signals

[00:22:49] and sometimes we just want to

[00:22:52] lower the speed

[00:22:53] there are moments with the pastors

[00:22:55] like the devil knows

[00:22:57] that there is a great blessing

[00:22:59] in stopping

[00:23:00] and focusing again on Jesus

[00:23:02] in a regular and constant

[00:23:06] cycle

[00:23:06] the first temptation

[00:23:08] is to keep ourselves busy

[00:23:11] and give us more tasks

[00:23:12] and blame us

[00:23:14] because we are resting

[00:23:15] because he knows that there is a great blessing

[00:23:18] because it is a command

[00:23:20] it is not a suggestion

[00:23:22] it is within the list of the commandments

[00:23:24] it is not

[00:23:26] and I think that many of us

[00:23:27] are not at least

[00:23:29] with the stop regularly

[00:23:31] with that command

[00:23:32] and what a pity that we

[00:23:36] let's say we have not had to

[00:23:38] develop a theology

[00:23:39] of

[00:23:42] let's say of the adult

[00:23:44] we do not have to

[00:23:46] develop a theory

[00:23:48] of idolatry

[00:23:49] or a philosophy

[00:23:50] but we have had to write

[00:23:52] and we have a book about the theology

[00:23:55] of recreation and rest

[00:23:56] like you have to look for that

[00:23:59] exam of why we have to rest

[00:24:01] and you have to explain to the pastors

[00:24:03] with a lot of biblical conscience

[00:24:05] why to stop

[00:24:07] when it is a command

[00:24:08] it is simply an order of God

[00:24:11] to stop

[00:24:12] and it is written

[00:24:13] and it has been remembered

[00:24:15] throughout the biblical history

[00:24:18] so I think

[00:24:19] it is a conscience

[00:24:21] of the leader

[00:24:23] and here I want to only

[00:24:24] to admit that it is not only for the pastors

[00:24:28] I think

[00:24:29] in the discipline

[00:24:30] that is why the demands

[00:24:32] of the congregation

[00:24:33] like the sister who told the pastor

[00:24:36] that the devil does not rest

[00:24:37] is because we are not

[00:24:39] we are not teaching

[00:24:41] the process of rest

[00:24:42] to our church

[00:24:44] and we use

[00:24:47] any pretext

[00:24:48] and it is also culture

[00:24:50] there is an ethics of work

[00:24:52] there is a whole history

[00:24:53] there is a literature

[00:24:56] about the subject of work

[00:24:59] and rest

[00:25:00] that sometimes also confuses

[00:25:02] and makes us think

[00:25:04] that the hatred

[00:25:07] is the mother of all the vices

[00:25:10] and

[00:25:10] and that's why I think

[00:25:12] there is an important reflection

[00:25:12] so that the pastor can also go teaching

[00:25:16] and maybe

[00:25:17] do things with the congregation

[00:25:19] in a day of rest

[00:25:22] it is like a new owner

[00:25:24] part of that

[00:25:25] is our own

[00:25:28] independence

[00:25:30] and autonomy

[00:25:32] that we

[00:25:34] can

[00:25:34] or we

[00:25:35] will go ahead

[00:25:38] and be the savior of our congregation

[00:25:41] or whatever

[00:25:42] so in reality it is still

[00:25:44] still in our identity

[00:25:46] and that's why when I see pastors

[00:25:48] that are no longer pastors

[00:25:49] they don't know how to do

[00:25:52] they don't know how to live

[00:25:53] because they have already taken away

[00:25:55] that identity of the pastor

[00:25:56] to respond to all the needs

[00:25:58] of the people

[00:25:59] that is good but they have found

[00:26:00] their whole being in that

[00:26:03] and they have pushed them

[00:26:05] and we justify it because we are in ministry

[00:26:08] so if we go to another thing

[00:26:10] then people realize that it's not good

[00:26:12] but being in ministry

[00:26:14] we don't justify it

[00:26:16] us

[00:26:17] so thanks for that

[00:26:19] and I was very applicable to those who are listening

[00:26:22] to finish

[00:26:24] Robert we didn't want to take a long time

[00:26:26] but maybe based on that

[00:26:28] it could be something else

[00:26:29] but what would be your

[00:26:30] or suggestion

[00:26:34] or some words

[00:26:35] that you would say

[00:26:36] to new pastors

[00:26:39] and pastors

[00:26:40] who are starting on that

[00:26:43] how would you

[00:26:47] encourage them

[00:26:47] to start

[00:26:49] and what they are doing

[00:26:52] I think

[00:26:54] that the

[00:26:54] I am very encouraged

[00:26:56] the Salmo 78-72

[00:26:59] is a

[00:27:00] passage

[00:27:01] that gives me a balanced life

[00:27:05] of David

[00:27:07] we generally when we talk about

[00:27:09] pastor

[00:27:10] accompanying pastors

[00:27:12] or pastorizing pastors

[00:27:15] we go a lot for the

[00:27:17] stress

[00:27:18] for the doing of the pastor

[00:27:21] for

[00:27:23] giving him more tools

[00:27:25] and ideas

[00:27:25] and the evangelism and the discipline

[00:27:27] and how he goes with the church

[00:27:29] however this text

[00:27:31] tells me

[00:27:33] that he was a pastor

[00:27:35] who was in accordance with

[00:27:37] the integrity of his heart

[00:27:39] and that has to do with the character

[00:27:43] and the character

[00:27:45] develops

[00:27:47] when you have a rhythm

[00:27:49] a balance

[00:27:51] when

[00:27:53] you take time to develop that character

[00:27:56] when you observe

[00:27:58] the present and the future in a time of

[00:28:01] rest, of stop

[00:28:03] is where you can examine

[00:28:04] how you are growing

[00:28:05] and when you are a pastor

[00:28:09] of pastors you must

[00:28:10] give a first

[00:28:12] a first step

[00:28:13] of learning to stop

[00:28:17] that is how to treat the content

[00:28:19] but the character

[00:28:20] is very important

[00:28:21] the being of the person

[00:28:22] that's why the presence is very important

[00:28:24] because you are

[00:28:26] and you can't hide

[00:28:28] who you are in the house of another

[00:28:30] you are

[00:28:31] and for me that character

[00:28:34] is modellable

[00:28:38] modellable

[00:28:39] that is to say we give it to model in your life

[00:28:42] the other part of the Psalm

[00:28:44] and it says

[00:28:44] and pastor you with the

[00:28:47] pericia of your hand

[00:28:48] there were de-stress, qualities

[00:28:51] certain tools that you could

[00:28:53] use to pastor

[00:28:55] I think the balance between

[00:28:58] character

[00:29:00] which is the being

[00:29:01] but also learning to do it

[00:29:04] is to develop

[00:29:06] abilities

[00:29:07] but also develop

[00:29:09] the character and the being of the person

[00:29:11] so there are some pastors

[00:29:14] that have a lot of de-stress

[00:29:16] to be able to preach

[00:29:17] and teach the Bible well

[00:29:18] but in their character

[00:29:21] they are still iraqs

[00:29:22] we still have

[00:29:23] some things to correct

[00:29:26] there are others that we are very vulnerable

[00:29:29] if we have some but we don't have

[00:29:31] many abilities to direct

[00:29:32] I think a soul is to learn

[00:29:35] from that balance between character

[00:29:38] and the pericia

[00:29:40] of the hands

[00:29:41] and to be present

[00:29:42] in the life of the people

[00:29:44] take time to

[00:29:48] I think a soul

[00:29:50] and that is something that I am living

[00:29:52] is not only to think

[00:29:54] in people outside

[00:29:55] as a congregational and a rebaño

[00:29:58] but also in your first congregation

[00:30:00] which is your family

[00:30:02] I was

[00:30:04] and I will finish this very briefly

[00:30:07] one day

[00:30:08] the Lord raised me at 3 in the morning

[00:30:10] and took me to that church

[00:30:13] 34

[00:30:14] and I started reading

[00:30:15] that punishment to the pastors

[00:30:19] that

[00:30:20] that judgment

[00:30:21] that I gave you pastors

[00:30:23] and even the whole chapter designed

[00:30:27] and I will tell you the truth

[00:30:28] I did not think in my first congregation

[00:30:31] of

[00:30:32] I thought in my family

[00:30:35] in my wife

[00:30:36] and in my daughters

[00:30:38] I said wow

[00:30:39] what am I doing

[00:30:41] how long I am giving

[00:30:43] too much to be busy

[00:30:45] with people outside

[00:30:47] and probably I am taking care

[00:30:49] of my first rebaño

[00:30:51] that is very close to me

[00:30:52] my presence of taking care

[00:30:55] of my rebaño more close

[00:30:57] also caught my attention

[00:30:59] and one word of encouragement

[00:31:01] not only we dedicate a ministry

[00:31:03] I think of presence with people

[00:31:05] that we are accompanying

[00:31:07] but also take care of our

[00:31:09] main rebaño or permanent

[00:31:11] that is our family

[00:31:13] that they will accompany us

[00:31:16] the rest of our lives

[00:31:17] thank you

[00:31:18] wow thank you very much Robert

[00:31:21] I want to thank you

[00:31:23] for being in this episode

[00:31:25] but also thank you for your vulnerability

[00:31:27] and the word of advice

[00:31:29] in this balance

[00:31:31] between character and capacities

[00:31:34] and

[00:31:35] looking at our family as a first place

[00:31:37] where

[00:31:38] to practice the ministry of presence

[00:31:41] thanks to all

[00:31:43] who are also listening

[00:31:45] thanks for being present

[00:31:46] in this episode we want to listen

[00:31:48] of you know of you

[00:31:50] so we want to cheer you up

[00:31:52] so that they write us on social networks

[00:31:54] in chief pro commission

[00:31:55] so that you can write us

[00:31:57] in this comment

[00:31:58] what you think of this episode

[00:32:00] what you think of this podcast channel

[00:32:03] as we said we are growing

[00:32:04] in the audience

[00:32:05] thanks to the global gentlemen

[00:32:07] and we have the possibility of listening

[00:32:09] of men like in this day of Robert

[00:32:11] of a pastor who is capable of pastors

[00:32:14] and among all the beautiful messages

[00:32:16] that he has given us in this time

[00:32:18] is to take into account

[00:32:19] of the intentionality

[00:32:21] to work with people

[00:32:23] and have a vulnerable heart

[00:32:25] with a pure character

[00:32:27] and letting the Lord work

[00:32:28] so thanks for being

[00:32:30] Robin do you have any final words

[00:32:33] thank you very much

[00:32:34] that little exhibition

[00:32:36] of Salmos 78

[00:32:39] 72

[00:32:40] very impressive

[00:32:41] I will be thinking about that

[00:32:45] Robert if someone wanted to contact you

[00:32:47] what would be the best way

[00:32:48] to get in contact with you

[00:32:50] if the best way is

[00:32:53] to write

[00:32:54] obviously the whatsapp is a very easy

[00:32:57] to connect right now

[00:32:58] but my email is

[00:33:00] very easy is rbruno

[00:33:02] at robamesaglobal.co

[00:33:06] ok excellent

[00:33:07] thank you very much for being with us

[00:33:10] thanks to all those who are listening

[00:33:12] and until next time

[00:33:54] see you in the next episode